nice guy i worked with him for about a year.
he is mormon but every time we were in a place to talk he brought up religion, cult thinking.... he needs to come clean i think.... ripe for the vine of non cult thinking but not an ex-jw so i don't have the upper hand?
is there a coc for mormons?
Foind Sheep...you say your goal is to be a " cult therapist" Respect.
As an ex cult member i have an idea of truth about this world, and it is simply this." It doesnt become the clever to win over the stupid".
So what i mean is, you have helped me a lot in the few Topics i started and you answerd. Why?
Because you never answerd as though you were the clever and i the stupid.
I think you will make a great " cult therapist"
it may be argued it started out ok , but soon turned to crap with mismanagement.
the first big booboo came when jehovah chose abels sacrifice over cains .
(jehovah) choose a man who slaughters one of his own creations , spilling blood , murdering if you will one of his own creations , then approving him over a man , cain ?
Wow we need a non existant CEO...otherwise its all over. Its all finnished and man is no longer "good" in spite of everything. You see God gives us a right to live with the evil within us and the world,and we can say " He God hasthe power and the right".
The question is " power over whom"...well with God we dont need be physically superior, and the artrocites that show " mankind" for what mankind is can be justified are justified it was " satan"
Without God as CEO its all finnished. The physically superior God in the world or a world of physically superior humuns? So people chooce God and the physically superior become leaders of religion and politics and business and, and, and. We chooce our God.Maybe thats God is now the internet?
I have been here a lot this week, trying to think about where i am now so i apologise if my posts seem silly.
wow.
you read about it here.
but, it still doesn't prepare you.. our hall passed a resolution to give about 15,000 to the wt.
all living non witnesses must die, why feel sorry for the babies at armageddon? The poor and innocent STARVING babies in Afrrica will be reserrected so lets give our money to the society and after Armageddon we will have our horse and carts and ..." A fool and there money are easily parted".
anyone else get the distinct impression that jws are being worked up into a frenzy with all the changes and activity nowadays?
by the end of august, there will have been four campaigns inside of a year.
one last november, a memorial campaign, a convention campaign and an advertise jw.org campaign.. then there's the conventions with all the hooplah around that with all the video, and the aggrandizement of synchronized gb talks.
As a witness i couldnt get enough, all day all night , it had done something to my mind. It turned me in to " our people, over mankind". A man without a heart or soul, nothing but cold blooded showing inhumun distance from " the worldly race" .
I laugh about it now! its better than crying. And as a non witness i now have softer feelings even for " jehovers witnesses".
just wanted to say hello.
i have alot to say, but i'm not good at typeing.
i'm still in the org.
Well you keep " venting". I guess its nice to have found a place you can vent....i remember as a lurker finding this place and i went to sleep exhausted.You see i didnt even post i just researched.
so it's' been 8 months since i was disfellowshiped.
i moved out of my mothers house accross the country to room with a friend.
things have been going ok, it's just strange to be so far away from everything that felt familiar, even the meetings.
Stumbleline, your never alone if you can find friendship with yourself.
That sounds corny but when i left the organisation i realized i was only vaguely a friend with myself, a half blind man who one day wanted to regain his sight . I soon discoverd a big wide exciting world i never new existed and i was newborn alone and i realized the first thing was to find me...the rest the good and the bad will find you.
Its a big step what you wrote and not the words of a " downer"
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Wow this thread i think will conclude that some questions are without answers.Like many questions. Nobody has ever come to an inititive understanding of what makes a bicicle do its thing.
So my answer which i accept really is no answer, is spirit is future existence.
Now that is no answer and i cant rationalize what spirit is, but thats how i instinctivly feel it.
So as i wrote pn page 6 " what is spirit exactly?" its a word that i imagine for belivers is living in its meaning and intensity. I dont see the point of amputating from somebodys vocabulary a persond definition of that word. I mean i am grateful to Cofty for helping me so much on so many posts with my new beliefe in athisam. God i went for so many lonely walks sat up in to the early night, " please God let me feel you," he had gone. The God i belived in has become absolutely nothing, no longer the mysteriouse power over life and death.
Now back to the question " what is spirit exactly"? to me it is future existence, which is the only form of existence. And i realize that is no answer but i cant answer with deeper meaning. And if it requires deeper meaning then deeper meaning will require deeper meaning. But some questions are only answerd in isolation with our own curiosity and our own individual answers.
This thread has created so much drama, and many have left the thread maybe because there answers were answers to them. Maybe the answers are only fantazies which cant in words say exactly "how" or " why". A schizoid view, maybe, but like " BICYCLES" it works when they ride them, and thats enough.
Anyway the great thing about this discussion board is its not a tyrannical society, like the " organisation" most of us escaped from. And maybe for many like me who does mot believe in Ghosts" we still need to keep the light on. So spirit for me is " future existence"
What a lot of woffle, but it needed saying because as i said i am very grateful for " Cofty" in helping me get where i am. And that place is freedoom even if its on a row boat in the oceon with questions i cant answer to everyones sattisfaction.
any current or ex jw knows there is a lot of counsel against association with nice people that do not share your faith.
i think this is very damaging for personal growth, we never really can challenge our convictions, we become stunted in ability to reason and make personal decisions.
this is also why the organization has fought against "higher education" so hard.
since leaving i have tryed to avoid social talk on both religion and politics, but if it crops up i would describe it as honest open and friendly conversation.I think i am certainly more open to other peoples point of view and i like to thing i am right 75% of the time, but its probobly more likely i am now 50%. At least iam no longer 100% always right in my views. ( i mean the organisations view point which infact made me 100%wrong and a fanatic) Hope that makes sence?
i've always wondered that.
recently i asked that question on another thread and didn't really get ananswer.
cofty made an excellent point that we often hear what it isn't, but that really isn't useful.. so, what is it?
Comatose to your comment that " but of course, we all know god is there....." i think i must be the exception to the rule.
can anyone recommended any good congregations to visit?
my hotel is in waterloo area so something close please.
anyone else here from london?.
Try the Paddington congregation. Amazing to believe but the building is a large church, which the society bought from Babylon the great. Still principlas aside when it comes to owning property in central London.
